This is Chapter 5 of podcast Meditation Matters that includes episodes 49 to 60 describes topics as “Our Five Levels of Being” and what is the difference between “Heart and Mind”.

List of episodes:
– Our Five Levels of Being (1) – The Body
– Our Five Levels of Being (2) – The Vital
– Our Five Levels of Being (3) – The Mind
– Our Five Levels of Being (4) – The Spiritual Heart
– Our Five Levels of Being (5) – The Soul
– A Unique and Dramatic Tension
– The Mind and the Heart (1) – The Coalface of Progress
– The Mind and the Heart (2) – A Coup d’Etat
– The Mind and the Heart (3) – Unity and Division
– The Mind and the Heart (4) – The Smallest Dog
– The Mind and the Heart (5) – The Ruler and the Sky
– The Mind and the Heart (6) – The Licensed Driver

Question: How can one discipline the mind during meditation?

Sri Chinmoy: It is only during meditation that you get the opportunity to discipline the mind. When you are not in meditation you will see that each thought or idea is composed of words. If you enter into an idea you will see that it is formulated with words. Words come and form a sentence either inside or outside your mind and there you get an idea. But during deep meditation, you do not need words to form an idea. There the idea comes in a flash in the form of light, or light will bring the idea right in front of your vision. At that time you will immediately see the incident or truth that you want to envision in your life.

How can you discipline your mind during meditation? You can discipline the mind only by forgetting the existence of the mind and feeling that you do not have a mind. You may think, “If I do not have a mind, then how can I exist? I will become an idiot without a mind.” But I tell each and every one of my disciples that the mind you get from books, the mind you utilise while conversing with people, the mind you require in order to exist on earth, cannot take you even an inch towards God-realisation. It is lame. It is blind. It is deaf. The mind is your enemy.

During meditation if you can really make yourself feel that you have only the heart, or if you can feel that you do not even have the heart, but that your whole existence from the sole of your foot to the crown of your head is the soul, then you will see that the mind does not exist. But if you cannot feel the presence of your soul, you can easily feel your heart’s presence and your heart’s glow. When you see light glowing in the heart or in the soul, you can rest assured that you have already transcended the intellectual mind. At this stage you have entered into the illumined mind, which is very different from the reasoning, intellectual mind.

When the light grows in the heart or the light comes out of the soul and permeates the entire body, at that time the mind is automatically disciplined. If you want to discipline the mind by hope, it is impossible. It is just like straightening the tail of a dog. But if you can live in the soul or even in the heart, then the light of the inner existence either transforms the physical mind and brings it into the higher regions, or it brings down the all-fulfilling peace from above into the gross physical mind. When peace descends or the mind ascends into the higher domain of light, at that time the mind automatically disappears.
– Sri Chinmoy, The mind and the heart in meditation, Agni Press, 1977


Photo by Pulak 1995

Drawing on over 30 years of learning meditation techniques as a student of Sri Chinmoy, Prachar Stegemann takes the listener on a tour of the possibilities of meditation, and describes the practical necessities of creating a meditation practise.

Prachar Stegemann teaches regular meditation classes in his home city of Canberra as well as travelling frequently to give classes and workshops around the world.

These podcasts were originally created for the Canberra Meditation website.